If I had to make up a typical Jewish American couple, I’d call them Bryan and Michelle. Or Julie. Or Lauren/Lori or some such form thereof. But if I had to think of your typical Orthodox couple, I’d call them Miriam and Moishy. Or Yaakov and Chanie.
From Mary to Lisa to Michelle and Jennifer, girls’ names in America have gone through their trends. What about Orthodox girls?
When I was a kid going to the Hebrew Academy of Cleveland in the 80’s, there were 20 girls in my class. Three of them were named Estie – which is also my sister’s name. I have two sisters-in-law named Rivky. Chanies are everywhere.
As far as boys’ names, we seem to have tapped into the trends. Our son Moshe had a half-dozen boys with some form of the same name, and our son Avromi had about the same number with some form of his name (Avi included).
In the Modern Orthodox community, names are much more creative, such as Shai, Adir, and Tzahalah. But in the more black-hat world, the same old names are often chosen after grandparents and such. Yiddish names do seem to be going out of vogue, so grandparents’ names such as Baila, Faiga, and Zissel are becoming less common aside from the Chassidic and yeshivish (black-hat Haredi) communities. Parents might name their children these Yiddish names to honor loved ones, but, if they feel uncomfortable with them, will add another, more palatable name (sometimes the Hebrew form) and use that as the child’s main name. Some Yiddish names are considered even more old-fashioned and unpleasant than others (not listing them here for obvious reasons, haha) and if a grandparent carried that name, the parents might use a similar name or name with a similar meaning so as not to saddle their child – or themselves – with a social stigma.
Some kids love having common names, and others love having cool and interesting names. Either way, it seems to me that Orthodox trends in names change and move slower than in America in general. Then you also have Orthodox names that are cool in America (Ilana) but nerdy in Israel. Who knew? There are no studies that I know of, but I’d love to get some informal data here.
After crowdsourcing on Facebook I got some really interesting responses. Here’s one:
I was named after my mothers grandmother whose name was Hinda Necha. However, my mom couldn’t stomach the Yiddish version and we were living in Israel so I got Ayelet. Years later, I was in kindergarten in America and I hated my Israeli name. I asked my mom why she wouldn’t name me something “normal” like Gitty or Hindi! Growing up it was Esti and Leah and Chaya and Chani. Now it’s Ahuva and Aliza and Ariella and Yael and Meira and Tehila and Adina and Avigail and Leora. Some names that were nerdy in my day are cool now like Shayna and Kayla. Boys names tend to be pretty traditional still with lots of Dovid and Yosef and Aharon and Aryeh and Yaakov. But there’s also your Yonatan and Netanel and Ariel and Azriel.
What were the most common Orthodox names you knew of growing up? Which decade? What about now?
Ruchi, although Im not in the US, hope it's ok to talk about this….Im fascinated by names, and who/why/how people come by them.
My maternal grandmother – her parents were Orthodox – was Minnie Freda: her sisters were Mary( after whom I am named…Mary, on my birth certificate, Miriam as part of my Hebrew name), Sarah(known as "Non"….I only found out a few months back that Aunt Non's name was Sarah. My sister, who only lived eight days, was named Sarah after her)…the brothers were Reuben(Uncle Bub) and Aaron( Uncle Ayon). Her parents, who came to the UK from Poland(Lublin) and Russia, were called Harris, and Elizabeth. I've tried to do some searching, and got as far back as a Mordecai, in the mid 19th century.
There is no one left to ask: so much I wish I knew, and now have no way of knowing, which is sad….so many things I would love to know….
So interesting. That really is sad. By the way, in Russia, "Sarah" is an anti-semitic slur as the archetypal Jewish name.
For years I despised having the name Chaya Fruma Faige. It was so yiddish which to me seemed old-fashioned. But now I love it. I have no English name. I love that my Jewishness is out there for everyone to see. Among modern Orthodox, all of these names are pretty rare.
Certain special cool people can rock their names! You're definitely one of them!
My grandfather spoke of an uncle named something that sounded to me as a kid like "Itchy Maysheh". What is that, does anyone know?
Also, is it a Reform thing that babies be given a Hebrew name that starts with the same letter as the name of a dead relative and that is considered to be naming the baby after that relative? One little letter? Or is there more to this than I know?
It probably was Yitzchak Meir.
Yitzchak Moshe. Itchy is a nickname for Yitzchak. Maysheh is simply Moshe with a regional variation in the vowel sound.
My parents (Reform, then Conservative) also named us after relatives by giving us names that start with the same letter as the relative's name. In our case, though, it was the English initial, but our English names are the English versions of our Hebrew names. Just as examples, they might have named us Ya'akov/Jacob, Rivka/Rebecca (but they didn't). For them it was simply that they either didn't like the relatives' names or they didn't think we would like having such out-of-fashion names.
Agree with DG. "Mayshe" is a Lithuanian twist on the pronunciation. I think naming after the first letter was a way of remaining faithful to the Ashkenazic Jewish custom of naming after grandparents without actually having to give outmoded names. So that does sound in sync with Reform Judaism.
FWIW, I know frum-leaning Conservative families who have done the first initial thing as well. In at least one case it was because they wanted to name a girl after a grandfather whose name didn't have a good feminine equivalent.
I guess I never understood why "naming after" could mean just using the first initial. It seems a little skimpy. I just remembered being told that my MIDDLE name's first letter was the same as some great-uncle's, so I was "named after" him. And in that case his name and my middle name are both standard American names of their era.
I was also named that way (first letter of my middle name being the same as my great-uncle's). I do feel a connection to him because of it, and I wouldn't have wanted his German name (or a female equivalent).
Traditionally, "naming after" means giving the same Hebrew name.
DG (my sister) is downplaying the awfulness of some of our German ancestors' names. Her G is for great-uncle Gustav, and there's no nice, feminine, English equivalent for it. Other fine, Germanic names like Herrmann, Alfred, Julius, and Siegfried were also in the mix. Since I was named after Alfred, I appreciate the system they used – is there even a female version of that name?
TDB, I remember Mom saying they hadn't wanted to name me Gustava. (Or was it that the hadn't thought I would want to be named Gustava?) In any case, I'm pretty sure I once met a woman named Gustava.
And who's Siegfried? I don't remember anyone in the family with that name.
Should be working—- Itzik Moyshe, perhaps?? And I grew up Reform and was given the name Heather Amy after my grandfather Harold and grandmother Avis. I don't know if it's a really commonly done Reform thing, but it was done in my family. I became BT so late in life (the journey started at age 22 ish) that I never switched to my Hebrew name and as a frummie I'm still Heather—- and one of 4 frum Heathers in Cleveland (that I know of). Occasionally when someone meets me and I introduce myself as Heather they ask for my Hebrew name— I'll give it to them but remind them that I prefer Heather or Heather Amy— it's just what I'm so very used to. I decided not to give English names to my children— not sure why, but it just felt right. My son's name (and the spelling of it) is so unusual that it's just an extra unique factor for him— I don't regret the name- I love it- but I do wonder sometimes if life would have been easier had I named him one of the more typical Hebrew names.
I am fascinated with names! And these names mentioned here are very unique to me. Growing up, everyone was named Natacha, Chantal, Melanie, Erica, Annie, etc (typical french Canadian names of the 80s). My mom's generation has "uglier" names, Phyllis, Lucille, Gertrude, Pauline, Janette, Stella, etc. Surprisingly, names from my grandmother's generation are making a comeback, names like Olive, Maria, Rose, etc.
Men's names haven't changed too much…maybe it's because there aren't many french/english male names to pick from? I know way too many Justins, Jeremies, Marcs, Christophers and 'Christiens' of my generation, and Richards and Roberts of my dad's generation.
But while I was TAing at university a few years ago, I met a student named Yael, and I thought it was so beautiful and unique. It turns out Yael is very common in some places!
It seems that in general men's names change more slowly. Women are so much more capricious, aren't we?? For instance, Jacob and Michael have been in the top ten for like ever.
Love stuff about names. Great topic. I noticed that in the secular world, traditional names such as Jacob, Max, Emily, Josh, Rebecca, Emily…Sadie …are becoming really cool these days…at least where I live…(in Los Angeles). Interesting. I think somehow people's affinity to names are often associated with the person who we know has the name.
Agree! Although I named one of my kids after a beloved relative who had passed, and it was the same name as someone I really disliked. Over time I just stopped associating the name with that other person and it just became… my kid. So now I like it 🙂
My son Menachem Mendel dislikes the fact that he has such a common name that also automatically tags him as a Lubavitcher. Go figure!
Is he one?
Loved this! I could talk names all day.
I do seem to find a Kayla in every Orthodox family I meet.
Here's the irony: Kayla is Yiddish but it's become the new cool name. I think it's so because it's easy to say, spell, and pronounce. And because it's not immediately recognizable as Jewish. It has a je ne sais quois quality. Or maybe I'm just overthinking 🙂
I'm always amazed by how many people want to talk about names.
Our son, Nosson, whose name is Hebrew, has a hard-to-say name. Natan and Nathan are other forms of the same name. We once went to a doc appt and they asked us his name. He was just a baby. We said, "Nosson." The women stared at us and said, "Nuthin?? You didn't name him yet?!"
On another note, trying to say ethnically Jewish names into your phone while using voice-recognition is hilarious – and frustrating. Which is why I renamed my husband "Hubby" in my phone.
A Mother in Israel has a whole series of posts on Israeli baby names
http://www.amotherinisrael.com/israeli-baby-names-2/
Reform has "baby naming" ceremonies for girls, does O have that? Do boys get named at circumcision? How does a child get named officially/in the eyes of God? Can someone get a Hebrew/Yiddish name later on?
In O, boys get named at their Bris and girls get named at the (some say the first) torah reading. It is customary to add a name for a seriously ill person as a segulah for life. I imagine that adding a name later in life would be done at the Torah, but I am not sure on the customs or specifics.
We are lucky enough to have a women's prayer book that has been in my family for 200 hundred years, passed down from mother to oldest daughter, with each woman's name and date of birth recorded. Here is what I remember: great-great-grandmother Anna, Great-Grandmother Xenia, Grandmother Alberta, mother Margot, then me, sharing my name with one of the matriarchs. We are an Italian family that is mixed Ashkenazi and Sephardi, and no one is named after anyone in particular, except Alberta who was named for her father Alberto. Anyone other non-Ashkenazi folks want to chime in?
I love names, so this is great to read! I do think MO communities are more open to creative names, but I've been surprised at how old-shool a lot of the names in my neighborhood are. I think at the end of the day most people want to name after someone, cool name or not!