So as I venture into ever more diverse segments of the Jewish community, I have come to the conclusion that there are some fascinating cultural differences and similarities in celebrating bris, bar and bat mitzvah, and weddings.
Here are a few:
1. “Making a bar mitzvah.”
Frum (Orthodox) people generally say, “I’m making a bar mitzvah. I’m making a wedding.” What this means is that they are planning the simcha for their child, which is true, but I’ve never heard non-Orthodox people use this particular verb in this context. Why is this? Similarly, Ortho-folk will say, “I’m making Shabbos,” or “making Pesach.”
2. “Just come.”
I’ve found that Ortho-folk who come from large families and busy communities are much more “heimish” (homey) about extending an invitation by phone, declining an invitation, cancelling, showing up uninvited, etc. Clearly, people should be good about sending invitations and reply cards, and not make the “baal simcha” (the one “making the simcha”) call you to see if you’re coming (!) when they’d much rather be at the manicurist’s, but in general, this degree of chilled-out attitude doesn’t seriously bend anyone out of shape. “Surprising” someone at a simcha is also a totally accepted thing to do, or popping in for part of it if you can’t be there for the whole thing.
3. The six weeks rule.
You know how the “rules” say to send an invitation six weeks before? I find more secular Jews send them out earlier than that, and I’m not even referencing the “save-the-date” that comes out much, much earlier than that. In the other corner we’ve got the Ortho-Jews who send them out later. Sometimes much later. (See: heimish.) Also, no save-the-dates as far as the eye can see.
4. Gifts table.
No idea why on earth this is true, but at non-Orthodox shindigs, there is typically a gift table. Ortho-folk bring their gifts to the home before or after. Truly an oddity to my mind.
5. What time does it start?
Non-Ortho affairs start, well, when they’re supposed to start. Showing up late requires an explanation. On the other hand, when an Orthodox wedding or bar mitzvah is called for 6 pm, “everyone” knows it’s only going to be immediate family and the photographer at 6 pm. Show up at 6:30, for crying out loud. (!) The other totally bizarre thing about this is that the further east you travel, the later you should show up; so when my sister’s vort (engagement party) in NJ was called for 8 pm, most folks showed up at 11. Oh… was that not on the invitation??
6. Kids.
Well, this makes perfect sense. Orthodox people have more kids… their simchas have a lot more kids! Your typical Orthodox wedding will have multiple nieces and nephews, all decked out in their finest, to the extent that a babysitter (or team of) is often hired at the hall to supervise the kiddies. There is often a whole “kiddie table” with “kiddie food.”
But as usual, I like to find more in common than not… we all: want to experience nachas, want to be surrounded by family and friends, have spent more than we planned, and want all our guests to be happy. Oh, and if our kids could write their thank-yous with no input on our part, we’d all be all the more joyous.
Mazel Tov!
Curious to hear your observations!
re: #5
I know this generality of orthodox affairs starting late is true; I don't feel it reflects well on those of us on that side of the fence.
I will say that Chabad in particular, in my experience, tends to do everything later than advertised. I've been to Chabad in multiple countries and always had the experience of showing up on time (my inner Yekke, maybe), then hanging around for a half an hour or forty-five minutes or more waiting for things to get going. Other Jewish activities I've been to (Orthodox and non-) have the same tendency, to the point that jokes have been made about "Jewish standard time," but Chabad takes the cake. No offense to them, of course; they do a lot of great work, but phew, the Passover Seders I've been to have been late affairs indeed.
We have the lifestyle where we live on both sides of the fence. Torah observant and Public School with all the secular relatives, as we were brought up. … another oddity is: speech. "I'LL SPEAK TO YOU"…. what?! I'll talk with you later, we'll talk soon, But, I'll speak to you, there is a different sound. do you hear it? It's the orthodox way. 🙂 Others that the orthodox do that the secular does not: K fine. that's so nice! thank you so much! Wha? (for what) It's been a learning experience. Different cultures.
I think the wording "make a wedding," like other uniquely frum English phrases, is a translation of a Yiddishism.
That is true, Izzy. Same reason why Ortho-folk (as Ruchi calls them) say things like "He is staying by me" as opposed to "staying with me"
Ruchi,
I don't think the term "called for" to mean "starts at" is used in non-Orthodox circles, either.
The starting late thing is funny. Neither DH nor I grew up from and while I am rushing around trying to get out the door to be right on time for a wedding, he's sipping a cup of coffee saying, "You know it's not going to start on time. Why are you stressing out?"
I love that so many celebrations take into account the fact that people have a lot on their plate but still want to take part in a simcha, so for a vort, Shabbos kallah, kiddush, or whatever, you can come and go, giving more people a chance to say their mazal tovs and enjoy a little nosh.
I was surprised that my husband will not be sitting with me at an upcoming non-religious wedding because he is the best man so he will be at the "Bridal Table" which includes the bride, groom, the bridesmaids and groomsmen. I had never seen a "bridal table" like that at any Orthodox weddings I had been to. Of course at the ultra Orthodox weddings, I was also expected to not sit with my husband because men and women do not sit together.
yes "making a simcha" is from yiddish as is the "by me" (bei mir). i think it's also how you were raised, not neccesarily orthodox – my mother's grandmother lived with them and only spoke yiddish so growing up these "cultural-isms" were common in my house. and since my parents chose to move out to Moreland Hills in the 1970's – not exactly any Jews living out there – we often heard, if we were being silly and loud outside, "stop being wild it's a shandeh for the goyim" Nice, right? 😉
We are reform/conservative Jews living in the US but have secular family in Israel and visit often. All of these things except #1 I have observed in secular Israeli culture….or at least amongst my (large) family there!
BTW, I just found your blog and I love it. I have always had a fascination with orthodoxy and this is a wonderful peek into your life. Thank you for sharing!
~R
Izzy and Anonymous, welcome to the blog!
JBR: never noticed the "kay fine" thing till someone pointed it out…???
Izzy: Yes, Yiddishims, but as Leah points out, many Jews, not exclusively the Ortho-folk, have Yiddish genealogy so what gives, do you think?
Anon: secular Israelis are a whole other ball of wax – a combo of religious, secular, Sabra, and New York tough-guy machismo… 🙂
also. weddings. the "not orthodox" the weddings are invitation only. No one else is allowed into the wedding celebration. To mingle, dance what ever. In the orthodox world, anyone may show up for the wedding. The meal is closed to the guests, and then anyone may come to celebrate. That is just not done in the non orthodox ways, that would be considered.. distasteful.
Another, thanks to Nosson Goldfarb, in the "non orthodox", is the bride and groom are the hosts as well as the parents, visiting tables, welcoming people. Working the room. Speeches. In the orthodox, they are the chosson and kallah. They are royalty. They are taken care of the entire celebration. They are entertained throughout the event, they are visited by everyone. Everyone comes to them.
which sister's vort? have i missed something?
The separate seating at a wedding is a custom that has arisen mainly in the last generation or two, and many respectable Orthodox weddings do not separate the seating. It is not required.
Orthodox weddings do not have best men, bridesmaids, etc. at all, which is why "being in the wedding" means nothing at an Orthodox wedding and Ortho-folk might not even know what it means.
The "head table" at a wedding seats the bride and groom, their parents, and typically grandparents and, if applicable, great-grandparents.
OH, and Schwevy, the vort I referenced took place six years ago 🙂